‘Bachelorette’ Season 19: Rachel and Gabby discuss the dramatic ending

You know how they always say East What is the most dramatic ending in the history of “Bachelor”? Well, this really could have been it.

The 19th season of “The Bachelorette” began with the protagonists Rachel Recchia and Gabby Windey, both in apparently happy relationships, and each had only one suitor left: for Rachel, it was Tino Franco; and for Gabby, Erich Schwer. Both women expected proposals and got them. But their fairytale endings were short-lived, as off-camera scandals soon followed.

Gabby and Erich weathered Erich’s storm by texting one of their exes, who introduced himself on social media. The couple is still happily engaged. The same can’t be said for Rachel and Tino, who both admitted to cheating on her after the season wrapped production; Of course, the cameras followed the pair as they had one of the franchise’s most difficult-to-watch conversations of all time. Needless to say, they are divided.

Rachel and Tino came face to face on Tuesday’s live finale, sitting on a couch across from host Jesse Palmer, who was tasked with moderating their incredibly tense conversation that certainly didn’t result in a peaceful closure for the ex-fiancés, who They were committed to everyone. but a handful of weeks.

But the awkward moment that got all of Bachelor Nation talking was when the producers brought in one of Rachel’s former suitors from the show, Aven Jones, likely hoping to give Rachel a happy time, having endured so much pain in her life. own season. Well, things didn’t go as planned when Tino was trapped onstage, desperately on his feet to witness Rachel’s reunion with Aven, who she had befriended as fellow contestants on the show. Social media lit up with many saying that while Tino was wrong for cheating, he shouldn’t have been humiliated on national television. (Even Palmer looked stunned. Hey, live TV!)

“Unfortunately, that was not Aven’s choice. And he expressed his concern that he never wanted to do that, the moment we walked offstage,” Recchia said. Variety, speaking alongside Windey, the day after the live finale. “He still respects Tino as a person and no one wants to be put in a position where they are humiliated or feel like that on stage. And that wasn’t his intention, or mine, or anyone else’s… I don’t know because I didn’t even know what was going on. It really all happened very fast.”

Here, Rachel talks more about the fallout with Tino, as well as whether he’s a contestant on “Bachelor In Paradise.” And Gabby addresses her own controversies with Erich and what lies ahead for the happy couple.

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What was it like seeing your proposal and the fight at the end and then sitting down with Tino for the first time?

Raquel: Obviously, it’s all extremely difficult… I lived through it, but it’s one thing to look back… I hadn’t seen it since that day we ended our engagement, so I knew it was going to be a difficult conversation. . And right at the end of the day, I was hoping that we could get some kind of closure and move on.

Do you feel like you have some kind of closure?

Raquel: I think sometimes not having closure is closure for you. I really have to make peace with the fact that I will never have the full answer. I’m not perfect either. There’s going to be your side of things and mine too. So I think we just have to move on and really wish him well, honestly.

He alluded to some things that were said between the two of you that didn’t make it to the air. Are you comfortable sharing anything you’re alluding to?

Raquel: I think that when things are removed from a show, it’s for a reason. There are so many things that are for television and for viewers that have been watching our story to see, and there are things that you share and go through something with a partner when you’re engaged to them, and it’s something that is extremely, extremely, deeply personal. . And honestly, I was surprised to see him mention it after it was taken from him. At the end of the day, I think there are only a few things that will stay between us.

The edition of a television program appears. What did you think about how you were portrayed throughout the season?

Raquel: All the moments where I was completely crazy and crying, those are my true human moments. Of course, it’s horrible looking back and thinking, “Oh my God, I never should have done this,” but I’m learning lessons from looking at it. And ultimately, some things are embarrassing and you don’t like to see them, but it’s reality and it’s our life, and Gabby and I have always stayed completely true to who we are… I made mistakes. Sometimes I did not act as I would have liked, but I learned a lot by observing myself.

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Aven reached the end. Had they been talking since last week when they came face to face in the first part of the finale?

Raquel: Well we had a chance to talk and it was amazing to see… Aven has always been my support system throughout this journey. Seeing her face in the corner after going through something really hard, it was [brought] regain all those feelings of security. And honestly, it was amazing to see and we were able to talk afterwards without microphones, so that was really nice.

So where are things now with you and Aven? Do you want to establish a relationship with him?

Raquel: I am so happy to have seen it, and who knows if the future will hold. I’m definitely open to it and just see where it goes organically without any pressure.

Many viewers thought it was hard to keep Tino on stage when Aven came out. What do you think about that?

Raquel: Unfortunately, that wasn’t Aven’s choice. And he expressed concern that he didn’t want to do that by the time we walked offstage. He still respects Tino as a person, and no one wants to be put in a position where they are humiliated or feel like that on stage. That wasn’t his intention, or mine, or anyone else’s… I didn’t even know what was going on. It really all happened very fast and it wasn’t something that Aven chose to do directly. So yeah, he would never want to put him in that position.

Rachel, you appeared in the promo for “Bachelor in Paradise.” In what capacity are you in the program? Are you really a contestant or are you just showing up to say hi on the beach?

Raquel: Gonna tune in and find out… I definitely make an appearance on the beach. What happens? Everyone will have to wait and see, but it’s definitely crazy down there.

Gabby, congratulations on your engagement. How is life for you two after the show?

Talkative: We’re excited to finally be set free and do the little things together: go to dinner, go to the grocery store, go to the beach, just the mundane things that are always more fun with a partner by your side. Fortunately, we are both in the same city, so there is not much coordination. We are excited to start this new chapter and really build life together.

And now he can come to “Dancing With the Stars” and cheer you on.

Talkative: He was so upset that he missed the first one. Now, hopefully, he won’t miss another one.

But you had Rachel there for the “DWTS” premiere, so you’re fine.

Raquel: He was just screaming like a wild animal! I’m like, “She’s never going to ask me out again.”

Talkative: If I am! I need that.

Raquel: Vote for Gaby!

Gabby, your trip ended in a really beautiful way, but not without controversy, as we saw last night. You two completely addressed the texts to Erich’s ex that came up, but I saw that there was a text that was sent after the two of you were together. Can you talk about your feelings about that particular message?

Talkative: I can speak from my perspective, but in the end it would have to come from him. She obviously had concerns, just like everyone else: why would you contact her again after being in a committed relationship? You are sending them the wrong message. As we know, boys are dumb. But I think it was “Hail Mary” from her to try and get her to not post the texts and just amicably end the relationship. But she had gotten over that, rightly so: he didn’t treat her any better before her. I think her intentions were just to save her own ass, and it just didn’t work out that way.

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I love that you said that boys are dumb. I can’t argue with that! And Rachel certainly can’t argue with that.

Raquel: No, I absolutely can’t.

Talkative: And Erich can’t either. He knows that he is foolish.

The blackface controversy regarding Erich’s high school yearbook photo was not addressed in the finale, leaving many viewers wondering why it was not mentioned. At what point did you find out about that? What conversations did you two have?

Talkative: I found out with the rest of the world and it was an immediate punch to the stomach, really devastating. So it was hard for both of us to weigh our values ​​and where we are and how this happened. And there is no excuse. He apologized, but ultimately there is no excuse for this behavior. I think we’re really reflecting on ourselves, learning where these biases come from. [and] how they affect other people and how to change them and how to grow.

Now, during the season, a point of conflict for both was that they were not sure if the men were ready for a commitment. Obviously, the goal of the show is to end up engaged, but it’s a bit of a crazy situation. Do you think there should be discussions about the possibility of changing the format and putting less emphasis on a proposal?

Raquel: A lot of the viewers think that Gabby and I just wanted a ring and that we just wanted to be engaged, but that’s not what we wanted. We wanted commitment. We came into this show completely ready for that step in our life… I was so open with men that this is the goal I wanted and I wanted someone to be there with me at the end and be my life partner. It really had nothing to do with a ring. It has to do with someone who agreed to spend their life with you and that’s what a proposal ultimately represents. What we wanted was compromise.

Talkative: I understand the hesitation, but the expectations of the program are well known before proceeding.

Raquel: I don’t think anyone wants to spend three months of their life watching a trip for someone to have a long-distance boyfriend or girlfriend. It really is the point of the show that makes it so interesting. It’s the whole premise of the show, really.

This was the first season with two leads. Do you think there should be a season with two singles, now that there was a season with two singles?

Talkative: They would have to be friends, for it to be successful. Or it would be very messy.

A lot of people want your grandpa to be “The Bachelor.”

Talkative: No way.

Why not?

Talkative: My God, he’s so stubborn. If they spend more than five minutes with him, they will know. I love him to death, but he does things his way. Even the people who work at “Bachelor” could tell you that.

You are really crushing the dreams of many people. They want to see your grandfather on the show.

Talkative: Sorry to burst your bubble. He’s not interested in dating. He’s too busy with bowling and bridge.

That is a very fair answer. What do you think of Zach as “The Bachelor”?

Raquel: I went out with Zach. I think he’s an amazing guy and I’m really looking forward to seeing how his journey unfolds. And we’re really excited to not be a part of a season for once. [and] to see

Talkative: We came to take a break. The first time in a year.

You’re like, “Bye and good luck!”

Talkative: Enjoy. Let us know how it goes! See you on the other side!

Editor’s Note: This interview has been edited and summarized for clarity.